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Offline MrDizzla

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"Official Warning" - Advice Please
« on: August 26, 2010, 08:59:11 PM »
Hi All,
Glad to see there is a site like this with lots of great Information.
I received today (26/08/10) a letter from TVL stating "Official Warning" on the heading of the letter. The borders of the letter are red, instead of the usual blue colour and the letter reads;
"Dear Owner/Occupier
Our Enforcement Officers have now been authorised to visit your address in ***** ******. This is because you don't have a TV Licence at your address and you haven't responded to previous letters." 
My questions are;
1) The previous letters never stated that the Officer has now been authorised to visit my home, so does this mean they have applied to the Local Court for a warrant? or is this just another random mail shot?
2) If they do get a warrant and my TV is unplugged from the aerial at the time of the 'Raid' on my house can they still prosecute me?
3) If the police are involved in the 'Raid' does it give them right to search my house for anything or just TV's with aerial access? 
4) Will they attempt forced entry if i'm out of the property?


I wished I had a scanner to show you the exact letter, but have no current access. I live in Northern Ireland so i'm not sure if laws are slightly different to England so any answers will be much appreciated.


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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 09:12:50 PM »
1) By authorised they mean they have put you on their hit list. It's nothing official.
2) Probably. The problem with analogue sets is that they often show an image even when the aerial is disconnected. Any hint of an image and they would deem the equipment to be installed. If the equipment is installed and the property doesn't have a valid licence, then you'd have a problem.
3) The warrant permits them to search for TV equipment only. They can't rifle through your wife's underwear drawer (much as they'd like to).
4) No. It is their policy not to do that.
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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 09:23:49 PM »
CountryBoy,
You really are the Master !!! Thank you for such a quick response too, how to I +Rep?
So how do you de-tune a TV set then? 


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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
 :welcome: to this forum MrDizzla. To answer your questions:
 
1). No it doesn't. It means that somebody has told somebody else to pop round, say hello and attempt to sell you something. And that's all it means. The phrase authorised to visit your address is one beloved of marketing companies (such as Capita Business Services, lead company of the group operating under the BBC's direction and using their tradename, "TVL"), attempting to drum up business using legal-sounding and threatening language.

2). They could, as CountryBoy says. However if you film them fiddling and twiddling with your tv then it's on record that it's them (and not you) who is attempting to tune in the tv. It's also proof that broadcasts were not being watched at the time. You're perfectly within your right to film something like this in your own home - and they won't like it one little bit.

3). There'll be no "Raid". If you're referring to a search warrant they can only search for what is specifically mentioned/listed in the warrant and only in the areas designated for searching stated in the warrant. Only TVL staff should be doing any searching in this case as the warrant has been applied for by and granted to them and not the police. The police are not involved in the actual search; it isn't the reason the police are called: they are there only to prevent a breach of the peace and should not be helping out in any way in the physical looking.

4). No. TVL's own policy states that they won't do this. I don't know of any instance on record where this has been done.
 
One document is below. I have another one somewhere and when I find the ruddy thing I'll post it here. :dry:
 
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In that 89-page document (IR2008037) it's stated very clearly in section 2.9 on page 80.
 
 
 
There are only two reasons you need a tv licence in the UK; just having in your possession or owning any kind of equipment whatsoever (including any type of television, radio, computer, screen or aerial) or listening to any radio station are not those reasons.

"Television Licensing": tradenamed marketing and sales group of the outsourced BBC Revenue's "SHIT" (Sales, Harassment, Intimidation and Threats) Service.

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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 09:44:25 PM »
Londoner,
Thank you for your very informative and accurate response to my questions. You deserve a +Rep too.
I will in no way have any form of communication with them, they have knocked on my door three times since 01/07/10 so far, and left the "We said we'd call" pamphlets through the letterbox.  
Personally I believe the Police Service Of NI has bigger things to deal with than me, due to recent incidents in NI. My question then is if I ignored the door if they appeared to accompany the TVL Thug and I ignored them, would they then attempt a forced entry due to having the Police as a witness?
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 10:08:28 PM »
There's no guarantee that they won't. However this is against Capita Business Services' written policy and I'm more than certain that the N.I. police service have far better things to be doing with their time and resources than this.
 
[Capita Business Services are the lead company of the group of companies who do the business of collecting money for the BBC under the BBC's tradename of Television Licensing; or if you prefer, The BBC's outsourced revenue extortion service].
 
If you have the misfortune of encountering the more thuggish-type of bully it's not beyond the bounds of possibility but even then if you stand up to them I think it's pretty unlikely that that's ever going to happen.
 
Remember the power of the camera, the camcorder and the taperecorder. Always useful and especially so in a situation like this if indeed it should ever arise. ;)
There are only two reasons you need a tv licence in the UK; just having in your possession or owning any kind of equipment whatsoever (including any type of television, radio, computer, screen or aerial) or listening to any radio station are not those reasons.

"Television Licensing": tradenamed marketing and sales group of the outsourced BBC Revenue's "SHIT" (Sales, Harassment, Intimidation and Threats) Service.

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 09:43:10 PM »
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I will in no way have any form of communication with them.

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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 06:54:47 PM »
  •     This is the usual  (censored)  you get from TVLA.
     
      It is a computer generated letter for any address without a TV licence.
     
      Just put the letter in the paper recycling bin.
     
      If these tvla goons turn up on your door DO NOT engage in a conversation with  them and just shut your door on them they have no power what so ever.
     



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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 08:29:51 PM »
This thread demonstrates how wrong certain people, in "another place", are, when they state that the letters aren't confusing/misleading, and that nobody can/will be fooled into acquiescing to TVL's demand/request, to search their home, take a "statement under the relevant law", etc.
NB. Nothing I have posted here should be construed to mean I encourage or support illegal behaviour.

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Re: "Official Warning" - Advice Please
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2010, 11:07:41 PM »
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This thread demonstrates how wrong certain people, in "another place", are, when they state that the letters aren't confusing/misleading, and that nobody can/will be fooled into acquiescing to TVL's demand/request, to search their home, take a "statement under the relevant law", etc.


Those certain people you refer to refuse to see the truth, I have been reading a couple of threads over there, it just keeps going round and round in circles.  It seems the prerequisite for being pro BBC is to be pedantic over the smallest detail or choice of wording.

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 11:48:56 PM »
There is definitely some self-delusion going on over there.

This thread and the dozens (hundreds?) like it across the web show that "TVL"'s efforts at enforcement by misinformation are simply resulting in confusion and resentment.

It's time they did what they should be doing - explaining this clearly, concisely, accurately and completely.   Only the BBC could conceive of using the excuse that explaining things properly *might* make evasion more common as an excuse not to. 

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