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Offline rumbled

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email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« on: February 14, 2019, 12:40:22 AM »
Been a fan of tv licence resistance for years, been subbed to the youtube channel. Only now having my first run in with these goons.

SO i told the bbc or whoever that i don't need a tv licence, i watched a few shows on iplayer seemingly a few months back. Received an email last month telling me i'd need a licence and now another one warning me of repercussions. It has my flat number and name on it. Is there any wiggle room? The licence is linked to the property right? Not me? I've deleted the account because i don't wanna watch their rubbish ever again anyway if this is the sorta bull you have to put up with. Can't i just tell them i used the account at my parents place as a guest in their home? Am i not covered by their licence? Any wiggle room? I'm unemployed aint got the money for it but i'll have to find it if the alternative option is a 1000£ fine. Any help is appreciated and sources to back claims would help.

It also says in the email 'to continue watching bbc programs on iplayer you will need a licence' I have no interest in 'continuing' to have anything to do with the bbc or their programming 

How are they even going to let you use the iplayer without a licence, it should be a prerequisite for the service. They know what they're doing.

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 02:03:23 AM »
Currently it is a criminal offence to watch "live" broadcast TV channels or content from the BBC iplayer without paying for the TVL, however, you don't need to pay if you stream on demand services, such as ITV hub,4OD, 5 on demand, Netflix,Amazon Prime, youtube and many more.

If you don't watch any of the "live" stuff or use BBC's iplayer, then by definition you are no longer a "customer" of the BBC's and don't need a TVL.

You are not legally obliged to engage with anything BBC, no chit chat at the doorstep, no signing anything to say they called, no declaration of licence not needed, in short, have nothing to do with the BBC or their agents, if by error you happen to open your door to ANY cold caller, just say not today thank you and shut the door.

The letters will not stop, but treat them as you would the rest of the junk mail, just bin them along side Pizza fliers, double glazing offers, etc.

Keep your door shut.

keep your mouth shut.

Sign nothing.

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 02:05:24 AM »
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Been a fan of tv licence resistance for years, been subbed to the youtube channel. Only now having my first run in with these goons.

SO i told the bbc or whoever that i don't need a tv licence, i watched a few shows on iplayer seemingly a few months back. Received an email last month telling me i'd need a licence and now another one warning me of repercussions. It has my flat number and name on it. Is there any wiggle room? The licence is linked to the property right? Not me? I've deleted the account because i don't wanna watch their rubbish ever again anyway if this is the sorta bull you have to put up with. Can't i just tell them i used the account at my parents place as a guest in their home? Am i not covered by their licence? Any wiggle room? I'm unemployed aint got the money for it but i'll have to find it if the alternative option is a 1000£ fine. Any help is appreciated and sources to back claims would help.

It also says in the email 'to continue watching bbc programs on iplayer you will need a licence' I have no interest in 'continuing' to have anything to do with the bbc or their programming 

How are they even going to let you use the iplayer without a licence, it should be a prerequisite for the service. They know what they're doing.

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How are they even going to let you use the iplayer without a licence, it should be a prerequisite for the service. They know what they're doing.

Many examples over the years of the BBC and Crapita not knowing what they are doing come to my mind.

Still, the 1st September 2016 the rules changed about requiring a license to use iplayer, and iPlayer needed a user to register way back in May? 2017, using your email, gender, Postcode and date of birth.

Yet 'seemingly a few months back you watched a few shows', didn't iPlayer inform you of the requirement to have a TV licence to watch a few shows at the time? continuing to watch these shows meant you were
breaking the law and you invalidated your freely given NLN claim and we don't condone breaking the law,  sorry - no wiggle room has such.


But complicating matters is that a TV license covers an entire household and all of the people in it - becasue it's address based - regardless of what device they’re using. Indeed, many IP addresses could be covered under one license.
Some of those IP addresses, could be used by mobile phones and could be in an entirely different geographic locations.
These numerous variables mean that TVL would have huge difficulty trying to use any technology to track down unlicensed iPlayer users in the same way that copyright holders might track down software pirates.

The whole iplayer registration and use, based on some user inputted details is a mess, they should have a system in place very much like Amazon/Netflix do.

You have already said you declared that your are NLN to them, so your details where freely given to them...... :sad:
All they had to do was match them in their database, generate an email, did you get any letters?

Good that you deleted the account  - do you trust them that information is actually gone  :chinscratch: - and will have no further interest in the BBC or any further viewing that requires a licence.

The ball is in their court has to what they will do next, but, if you have read this forum, the standard advice for any cold callers is

Say Nothing, Sign Nothing, Shut the door, etc.

plenty of other advice in FAQ etc.


or if it's an email it might be a scam......

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 12:53:50 PM »
Original poster here.. (thanks for the help btw)
So i'm probably best off paying it this time around. How much is it again? They only cover you for a year right? So i assume once it runs out they begin pestering you to update your info again and to let them know whether you need/don't need one. At which point i can begin ignoring them forever. I haven't received letters, just 2 emails but they're legit. I'm not trying to rock the boat i can't afford the licence as it is. 

We'll phase this rubbish out eventually. I get all my content on youtube. I sorta pity those with tv hook up. Having to sit through advertisements and sifting through a bunch of crap to find something they can stand to watch. I watch what i want, when i want. That's how it's done online. that's where this is all headed. Same with music, i don't listen to the radio, bunch of gormless muppets who don't know music trying to curate a bunch of crap interspersed with ads. makes me chuckle.


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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 12:57:59 PM »
I could never go back to scheduled TV, find it much better to watch what I want when I want
Appreciate the help and help information found here.  Why not tell your friends and family so they know their rights when it comes to BBC TV Licensing……………….you know it makes sense

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 01:11:20 PM »
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Original poster here.. (thanks for the help btw)
So i'm probably best off paying it this time around. How much is it again? They only cover you for a year right? So i assume once it runs out they begin pestering you to update your info again and to let them know whether you need/don't need one. At which point i can begin ignoring them forever. I haven't received letters, just 2 emails but they're legit. I'm not trying to rock the boat i can't afford the licence as it is. 

We'll phase this rubbish out eventually. I get all my content on youtube. I sorta pity those with tv hook up. Having to sit through advertisements and sifting through a bunch of crap to find something they can stand to watch. I watch what i want, when i want. That's how it's done online. that's where this is all headed. Same with music, i don't listen to the radio, bunch of gormless muppets who don't know music trying to curate a bunch of crap interspersed with ads. makes me chuckle.

Considering your financial situation, ignore the muppets. You don't subscribe to their output so don't pay. They have no proof on where you accessed the material. You could have been at the legally licensed pub for instance.

Legit or not, do not pay unless you want to watch stuff on offer.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you do say will be misquoted, and then used against you.

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 02:48:47 PM »
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I could never go back to scheduled TV, find it much better to watch what I want when I want

Exactly and the BBC have failed to address this trend.

Remember Project Kangaroo.

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I did read a report that they are planning to get this going again. :lmao:
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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 05:39:03 PM »
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Been a fan of tv licence resistance for years, been subbed to the youtube channel. Only now having my first run in with these goons.

SO i told the bbc or whoever that i don't need a tv licence, i watched a few shows on iplayer seemingly a few months back. Received an email last month telling me i'd need a licence and now another one warning me of repercussions. It has my flat number and name on it. Is there any wiggle room? The licence is linked to the property right? Not me? I've deleted the account because i don't wanna watch their rubbish ever again anyway if this is the sorta bull you have to put up with. Can't i just tell them i used the account at my parents place as a guest in their home? Am i not covered by their licence? Any wiggle room? I'm unemployed aint got the money for it but i'll have to find it if the alternative option is a 1000£ fine. Any help is appreciated and sources to back claims would help.

It also says in the email 'to continue watching bbc programs on iplayer you will need a licence' I have no interest in 'continuing' to have anything to do with the bbc or their programming 

How are they even going to let you use the iplayer without a licence, it should be a prerequisite for the service. They know what they're doing.
I got the same email yesterday has anybody else recieved the same email this week?


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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 06:16:56 PM »
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I got the same email yesterday has anybody else received the same email this week?

Never having given them an email address, and never having made a NLN declaration (which is what it is, not a "claim"), I'd be gobsmacked if I got one.  :D
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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 10:39:17 PM »
NLN actuallly works against them.

As this site is actively against contact, then I would be wasting my time in explaining, but NLN is a little bit like 'TV detector vans'.
It is something that they have created that could work seriously against them.
A pointer is, regarding detector vans, that we can always say..
"Well you dont have to visit a property, because detector vans can tell if someone is watching 'live'."
NlN can also be used against them.

I am working on a video that explains this.
Just cut or remove your aerial cable....NO SIGNAL.......NO CONVICTION.....

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2019, 04:56:36 PM »
Original poster again...

You're right i don't have the money, but i defo don't have 1000£ to pay fine if things escalate.  I think i'll just have to pay it this once then i'll be out from under them for good. Even if i'd logged in at a licensed pub as one of you mentioned. I still don't have a personal licence with which to access iplayer from my iplayer account so i'm sure i'd be screwed regardless. I assume the licence is tied to my property, but the iplayer app is another story.  I did declare i didn't need a licence, and the email includes my name and flat number so i think they have me cornered. I made the account back when i was maybe 14, never had any issue or anything like this come up.  Still i'll take great pride a year from now in slamming the door in those creeps faces. I mean this wholeheartedly, i'd go homeless before i made my living off the backs of other people. They're worms.

That's the main enjoyment factor of the tv licence resistance vids on youtube for me, seeing these people slither to the door and knowing that they must hate what they do, and i revel in seeing fellow brits remind them as to why. As soon as they spout that 'hi, am i speaking to _ _ _ ?' before being told by the occupant '...you haven't introduced yourself...who are YOU?' that look that comes over their face, they know they're about to be either rocked or (as i know is the right thing to do) have a door slammed in their face. Looks like fun, can't wait to be a part of it XD

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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2019, 05:48:09 PM »
Stop worrying, get on with your life legally licence free and don't waste £155.50 paying for this nonsense. These simply are empty threats by email as part of their new "stepping things up" campaign. They have no proof so don't fall for it and give in. No one gets fined anywhere near £1000 (not even a higher rate tax payer, let alone an unemployed person) even if they are busted bang to rights.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2019, 06:07:51 PM »
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I think I'll just have to pay it this once then I'll be out from under them for good.

Bear in mind that paying does not guarantee no prosecution.

You’re like an STD: No one wants you, everybody hates you, and you’re a reminder of the devastating consequences of not using protection during sex.


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Re: email: Have you invalidated your No Licence Needed claim?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2019, 06:52:34 PM »
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Original poster again...

You're right i don't have the money, but i defo don't have 1000£ to pay fine if things escalate.  I think i'll just have to pay it this once then i'll be out from under them for good. Even if i'd logged in at a licensed pub as one of you mentioned. I still don't have a personal licence with which to access iplayer from my iplayer account so i'm sure i'd be screwed regardless. I assume the licence is tied to my property, but the iplayer app is another story.  I did declare i didn't need a licence, and the email includes my name and flat number so i think they have me cornered. I made the account back when i was maybe 14, never had any issue or anything like this come up.  Still i'll take great pride a year from now in slamming the door in those creeps faces. I mean this wholeheartedly, i'd go homeless before i made my living off the backs of other people. They're worms.

That's the main enjoyment factor of the tv licence resistance vids on youtube for me, seeing these people slither to the door and knowing that they must hate what they do, and i revel in seeing fellow brits remind them as to why. As soon as they spout that 'hi, am i speaking to _ _ _ ?' before being told by the occupant '...you haven't introduced yourself...who are YOU?' that look that comes over their face, they know they're about to be either rocked or (as i know is the right thing to do) have a door slammed in their face. Looks like fun, can't wait to be a part of it XD

Licenses are for property only, not people. You are more than entitled to have an account that you only access when at suitably licensed premises. They have no proof and most likely email a significant proportion of addresses acquired by the Not Legally Necessary. Any people who incorrectly receive the message and complain will be given a reason of "technical issues" or similar BS.

I would be interested to know how many people such as yourself purchase a Licence because of these emails. Maintain No Contact policy for all our sakes. After all they don't know if you even use the address anymore unless you reply or buy one.

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